>> you know, charlie, i started as factory worker in hong kong. when hong kong was the manufacturing center back in the '80s. so five years i was just, you know, hopping beten factory to factory. and so that's how i started. >> rose: so what did you do?i wy during the day. at night, i would go to night school. and so five years later i decided this is really enough. i saved about 3,000 pounds. and i decided to leave hong kong d went to england. that was a time, hong kong was still the colony, so england was the obvious place to go. you know, i remember i packed a -- a blanket, a wok that you can -- yourchopper, and a dicti. that's how i started. and i went to england. i was always ready to go back to china, because, you know, in the '80s, whiffs when i was a studn england, china was the exciting moment. you know, for someone who born d grew up in the cultural evolution, the idea china can change, can reform, can move on to something, it was just unthinkable. so i was all the time thinking how do i get back. >> rose: is there today in chinf we have